Sometimes I gaslight myself. I think something’s really wrong, but then I spiral—‘Doctors say I’m fine, so maybe it’s me. Maybe I’m the problem.’ And then you’re in this Spoonie loop: physical health, mental health, anxiety, self-blame. It’s relentless. And when your symptoms are invisible, it’s even harder to trust yourself…

“It sucks here, but sometimes it’s kind of nice.” That’s how we describe the Spooniverse. This group—of therapists who also live with chronic illness—wasn’t built to fix anything. It was built so we could stop doing it alone. We talk about grief, weird symptoms, feeling like a burden, and yes, peeing our pants. But we also laugh—a lot. Because even when bodies fail us, connection doesn’t.

What happens when men are encouraged to cut off parts of themselves to fit into a narrow definition of masculinity? In this honest, nuanced conversation, three male therapists unpack how traditional gender norms shape emotional isolation—and how therapy offers a space to reconnect with tenderness, vulnerability, and real relational strength.

If you’ve ever wanted to be a fly on the wall during a candid, insightful, and refreshingly lighthearted conversation between two friends — you’re in the right place. Therapists Dani and Jesse explore life’s big questions (and some lighthearted ones too) with a blend of humor and sincerity. In a world that often feels heavy, playfulness isn’t just a distraction — it’s a meaningful way to cope, connect, and build resilience. Through personal stories, thoughtful reflections, and plenty of laughs, this episode of Out Of Session with Kindman & Co. podcast invites you to feel seen, understood, and maybe even inspired. Settle in, read on, and let Dani and Jesse keep you company — you’ll laugh, reflect, and discover the power of connection through play.

January has been the longest year of my life. There's a lot going on, so we're going to talk about some of it in the next 30 minutes or so, and just kind of talking about how we're managing and contending with all of the forces out there, stuff going on in politics, climate change. If you live in Los Angeles, the wildfires, queerphobia and transphobia everywhere. War for and conflict, racism, misogyny, just to name a few, but if you can name it, there are all kinds of big systemic stressors stressing us all out right now. So how are we dealing with all of this? It's coming up a lot for both of us as therapists, but also as human beings.

I kind of worked out recently that maybe if we didn't call what BetterHelp was doing necessarily psychotherapy, I might be able to be a bit more comfortable with it maybe. I still think it would be problematic, but I think it's the conflation of psychotherapy as I know it, and mental health support in a whole variety of different ways. So it could be, well, it is the fact that you have this platform that's offering something to people in the world of mental health, mental health professionals to speak to in some way or fashion. But the way that BetterHelp works is completely antithetical to how I was trained to offer a psychotherapeutic space, which was about consistency, regularity, space between those sessions. Generally very little contact between sessions, generally a commitment of more than a very short period of time...

The first thing that comes to mind is this degree of some kind of personal responsibility, regardless of disservices done in places we may want to blame or criticize or complain. At the end of the day, it kind of feels like I'm an agent in this body and I have so much ability to choose what I'm going to do with it, and fingers crossed, I do what's useful for myself and others....

Sometimes it's easy to forget how it felt before I got sober, but I think such a big part of it that, I didn't think of it in this way at the time, was that I was really cut off from other people. I mean, I had people in my life. I did have some support networks, but I think there were a lot of barriers that I had built up that made it difficult to connect with people. And even being in the recovery community or in different recovery communities, you hear a lot of people say, kind of just feeling like they were different or they never fit in, or you hear all these different ways of describing not feeling connected, not feeling a part of something bigger.

Join Dani for our recent podcast interview with Demi Rodriguez as they discuss their experiences with voting as Latinas. Demi is a First generation Latina who grew up seeing her parents' relationship with voting and developed her own understanding of how to embrace culture and her right to vote.

In our most recent episode of Out of Session with Kindman & Co., Caitlin Harrison, spoke with Cait Ference-Saunders of Move with Cait, a trauma sensitive yoga practice. Read on for their conversation discussing embodiment and what is Trauma Centered Trauma Sensitive Yoga (TCTSY), the importance and power of making choices, and each of their takes on what is religious trauma.

Kindman & Co. Therapists, Dani, Steve, and Caitlin, discuss their thoughts on summer topics, and then share their own takes on how Hot Girl Summer should be remixed. The group shares some of the history of Hot Girl Summer, who coined the term, what it has become today, and discusses the phenomenon of cultural appropriation. Enjoy a playful episode of therapists talking all things pop culture!

This is a transcript from an Interview with Jose Vidrio of Highland Park Training on our Podcast, Out of Session with Kindman & Co. Read on for a discussion about new parenting—especially fatherhood, the importance of gentleness and sitting with discomfort, building new versions of masculinity, and cultivating accessible and inclusive gym culture that contradicts stereotypical forms of masculinity.

For anyone who has felt as though they were too much, this podcast and blog is for you. Caitlin Harrison, AMFT is going to talk about examples of when feeling like you're too much comes up, how society participates in this insecurity, and how she navigates this limiting feeling myself. Click to read more.